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		<title>By: Stephen Force (Steve Tupper)</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Apr 2008 18:49:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You raise an excellent point.  I actually did not expect to be a fully-competent multi guy when I finished.  As Kent of The Pilotcast said when I asked him how competent I should expect to become in the program, Kent said, &quot;It&#039;ll get you through the checkride, but it won&#039;t make you a multi-engine pilot.&quot;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I don&#039;t consider myself a multi-engine pilot in the sense that I would expect to need more seasoning (10-20 hours) before being genuinely comfortable in the airplane.  As an example, we all know that a person can become PTS-compliant for the private certificate in a lot less than 35 or 40 hours, but the time requirement also allows the student to see stuff.  To have things happen to them.  It really is &quot;experience.&quot;  The same thing applies to multi-engine flying.  Although I&#039;m a grown-up now with almost 200 hours grand total, I&#039;d feel more confident after having gotten the rating a little moist with some more dual.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Further, this rating&#039;s purpose is to qualify me to train for the SIC type rating in the DC-3 (now scheduled for May 23-25 in Griffin, Georgia).  It&#039;s a step on the road to the grand adventure in May.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;But here&#039;s the thing.  I surprised myself a little.  If the wife and kids had shown up after the checkride and asked me to put them in the Apache and go around the patch or on a short cross-country to, say, Traverse City, I would have felt capable of doing that.  Even more so than in a single.  (I really like the idea of an extra engine.)  Bear in mind that the winds were more or less 090 (good for both KCAD (07-25) and KTVC (10-28)) with few at 12,000 and 8+ SM visibility and minor convective activity.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Would I launch IFR (even though I got cleared during the checkride with no VFR limitation)?  Hell, no!  I presently won&#039;t launch IFR single pilot in a single (just a personal limitation based on proficiency).  And I don&#039;t think I&#039;d launch IFR in IMC without good VMC nearby in the Apache without about 10 more failed-engine approaches by which to judge my proficiency.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Is that helpful?  Is it even responsive?  I guess it is.  Long story short, I would have felt competent to take the wife and kids up right after the checkride - within limits.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;It all really comes down to how much prep you do.  Flight training is about bandwidth packing.  Remember your first flight under the hood?  It took about 90% of your available bandwidth just to fly straight and level.  Try to tune a radio, and the instructor is grabbing for the controls and cursing.  But it gets better until you can pack all normal operations into about 80% of your available bandwidth.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;If you show up with all of the book learning internalized enough so that all of your bandwidth is available for the sights, sounds, and kinesthetic sensations of the actual multi-engine flying that you&#039;re learing, it wouldn&#039;t surprise me to find you feeling pretty confident after an accelerated course.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You raise an excellent point.  I actually did not expect to be a fully-competent multi guy when I finished.  As Kent of The Pilotcast said when I asked him how competent I should expect to become in the program, Kent said, &#8220;It&#8217;ll get you through the checkride, but it won&#8217;t make you a multi-engine pilot.&#8221;</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t consider myself a multi-engine pilot in the sense that I would expect to need more seasoning (10-20 hours) before being genuinely comfortable in the airplane.  As an example, we all know that a person can become PTS-compliant for the private certificate in a lot less than 35 or 40 hours, but the time requirement also allows the student to see stuff.  To have things happen to them.  It really is &#8220;experience.&#8221;  The same thing applies to multi-engine flying.  Although I&#8217;m a grown-up now with almost 200 hours grand total, I&#8217;d feel more confident after having gotten the rating a little moist with some more dual.</p>
<p>Further, this rating&#8217;s purpose is to qualify me to train for the SIC type rating in the DC-3 (now scheduled for May 23-25 in Griffin, Georgia).  It&#8217;s a step on the road to the grand adventure in May.</p>
<p>But here&#8217;s the thing.  I surprised myself a little.  If the wife and kids had shown up after the checkride and asked me to put them in the Apache and go around the patch or on a short cross-country to, say, Traverse City, I would have felt capable of doing that.  Even more so than in a single.  (I really like the idea of an extra engine.)  Bear in mind that the winds were more or less 090 (good for both KCAD (07-25) and KTVC (10-28)) with few at 12,000 and 8+ SM visibility and minor convective activity.</p>
<p>Would I launch IFR (even though I got cleared during the checkride with no VFR limitation)?  Hell, no!  I presently won&#8217;t launch IFR single pilot in a single (just a personal limitation based on proficiency).  And I don&#8217;t think I&#8217;d launch IFR in IMC without good VMC nearby in the Apache without about 10 more failed-engine approaches by which to judge my proficiency.</p>
<p>Is that helpful?  Is it even responsive?  I guess it is.  Long story short, I would have felt competent to take the wife and kids up right after the checkride &#8211; within limits.</p>
<p>It all really comes down to how much prep you do.  Flight training is about bandwidth packing.  Remember your first flight under the hood?  It took about 90% of your available bandwidth just to fly straight and level.  Try to tune a radio, and the instructor is grabbing for the controls and cursing.  But it gets better until you can pack all normal operations into about 80% of your available bandwidth.</p>
<p>If you show up with all of the book learning internalized enough so that all of your bandwidth is available for the sights, sounds, and kinesthetic sensations of the actual multi-engine flying that you&#8217;re learing, it wouldn&#8217;t surprise me to find you feeling pretty confident after an accelerated course.</p>
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		<title>By: Rod Rakic</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Apr 2008 18:24:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[CONGRATS TUP!!!&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;...and thanks for sharing your experience with the rest of us!&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;One question which may be worthy of discussion...&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Obviously the point of the weekend was to get you capable of passing the checkride.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;...but as a gut check, how do you feel? Would you be confident taking the family up in the Apache?  &lt;b&gt;Would you have the confidence to pack up the spouse / 2 kids into a twin and fly back home if the opportunity had presented itself? &lt;/b&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I only ask, because I find myself debating the accelerated vs. organic training paths myself as I consider IFR / COM / MEL / CFI tickets (hopefully!) in my future.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CONGRATS TUP!!!</p>
<p>&#8230;and thanks for sharing your experience with the rest of us!</p>
<p>One question which may be worthy of discussion&#8230;</p>
<p>Obviously the point of the weekend was to get you capable of passing the checkride.</p>
<p>&#8230;but as a gut check, how do you feel? Would you be confident taking the family up in the Apache?  <b>Would you have the confidence to pack up the spouse / 2 kids into a twin and fly back home if the opportunity had presented itself? </b></p>
<p>I only ask, because I find myself debating the accelerated vs. organic training paths myself as I consider IFR / COM / MEL / CFI tickets (hopefully!) in my future.</p>
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